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Jun 07 2009, 3:04 pm - By Yancy


How do you feel about some states that are trying to pass and that have passed the new law concerning running red lights for riders?

 

Riders get trapped at red lights with sensors embedded in the road that don't respond to their smaller vehicles. The legislation would require them to stop and allow them to go through the red light if the signal doesn't change within two minutes as long as they can do so safely.


I will admit it can get pretty frustrating sitting at a stoplight and having to wait for a car to come along to trip the sensor, or to just wait for an opening and blow the light. I believe allowing bikers to run lights after a full stop is no more dangerous than allowing them to go through stop signs under the same circumstances. Anything from a dead stop is as low-risk as it gets at least in my opinion.

 

Yet there are times when your out late at night or  just a very slow day traffic wise.  You stop at a red light. 5 minutes go by and it's driving you  nuts.  Your bike doesn't have enough weight to trigger the sensor for the light to know you there. What are you supposed to do? If it's possible, you  COULD make a right hand turn and then turn around and make another right at that light if you wanted to go straight, or go straight through the green light if you wanted to turn left. But that situation doesn't always exist. What happens if you approach a light where you can go straight or left. There is no right turn. The light will stay red forever. It will only change if another car comes up behind me and triggers the sensor. But are you supposed to wait 10, 20, 30 or more minutes for that to happen, especially at night when there are very few other cars around?

The ideal solution would be to change the light system so that bikers DO set it off. Maybe laser motion sensors like most garage doors have to make sure nobody will get crushed. I've heard the weight/magnetic sensors that don't detect motorcyclists are illegal for this reason, but I may be wrong.

 

The problem of motorists being unable to see people on bikes and motorcycles is poor driver education and a generally low level of competence on the part of  motorists.  People who can't see cycles aren't looking for them.  The law proposed won't have any effect on that sadly. Im concerned that and this new legislation could endanger bikers and motorists alike. Thoughts?

 
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Jun 07 2009, 3:33 pm - Replied by: kiote


It can be frustrating....on the intersections with magnetic sensors, I often will put my kick stand down on the magnetic area to see if it will trip the signal.  A lot of newer signals have a type of camera sensor on them that work well.  If that fails then do what you have to do, safely.


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Jun 07 2009, 5:16 pm - Replied by: GentleHeart


I think it's a good idea...

Some day everything will all make perfect sense... so for now... laugh at the confusion... smile thru the tears... & keep remind'n yaself everything happens for a reason!!!
Jun 08 2009, 8:25 am - Replied by: flh


Here in Minnesota it has been that way for at least a few years now. It seems to only happen late at night.

Jun 08 2009, 8:36 am - Replied by: MARKUBET


It can be frustrating....on the intersections with magnetic sensors, I often will put my kick stand down on the magnetic area to see if it will trip the signal.  A lot of newer signals have a type of camera sensor on them that work well.  If that fails then do what you have to do, safely.

Know what?  Thanks for this advise as we learn something new!
 I'll try this kick stand connection next time at all sick traffic light stop

Gone Riding!
Jun 08 2009, 8:48 am - Replied by: snakechrmr


I usually sit through one full cycle of lights.  Then, the next time the light is green for oncoming traffic I blow on through once clear.

Figuring if I ever get stopped at least I can say I stopped until sure there was a defect in the lighting system.

So far its worked as I've never been pulled over.
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Jun 08 2009, 4:31 pm - Replied by: AETHON


I put a BIG Asssss Neodtnium Magnet under my bike and it trips bout 99% of the time.  Not 1 of those cheesy 1s either. Damn thing strong nuff bout yanks the clips from my Vasectomy !!! LOL

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Jun 09 2009, 7:10 pm - Replied by: Yancy


I posed this question else where and here is what someone else responsed. I thought I would share

Trafficjams wrote at 3/26/2009 10:54:58 PM I've been maintaining traffic signals for Massachusetts for over ten years now. I am responsible for 250 signalized intersections in central Mass. There is no reason whatsoever that the authority responsible for the safe operation of signals should delay making the necessary adjustments or repairs to ensure safe operation for bikers. Demand it! The way most intersections detect vehicles is with inductive loops set into the pavement. There is a magnetic field by this loop which is typically centered in the lane. When a vehicle enters into this magnetic field, the metal of the vehicle causes a disturbance in the field which is detected by an amplifier in the traffic control cabinet. This amplifier in turn sends a signal to the traffic controller telling it a vehicle is present. Many times I have made adjustments for the typical "stuck on red" conditions experienced by bikers. Ninety-nine percent of the time, the fix takes me about two seconds. It is simply a sensitivity adjustment, or in essence, an adjustment that increases the strength of the magnetic field. The inductive loop amplifier normally comes preset from the factory to generate a medium strength field. It just needs to be intensified to detect the smaller metal mass of a motorcycle. Also the field intensity diminishes a bit with age. Find out who is responsible for maintaining the traffic signal you may be having a problem with. If it is a state-maintained signal, you should contact the state traffic engineer about the problem. They should be very responsive to your complaint. If they are not, write a letter to them and cc a copy to your state senators office. They will probably then fix it within hours! lol If the signal is town-maintained, you may have more difficulty in getting them to respond to you, but maybe not. Hey, chances are the authority having jurisdiction does not even know bikers are having a problem at the light! In any event, it can and SHOULD be fixed! Every state that I know of has adopted into law a manual published by the FHA that demands the repair (all aspects) of traffic signals without undue delay. Tell that knucklehead lawmaker introducing a bill to allow running red lights to enforce the laws already on the books instead of killing bikers at red lights. That fugger should be impeached. BTW.. the magnet on the bike? ..don't waste your money.

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